1 00:00:03,409 --> 00:00:01,910 greetings skywatchers this is Ryan 2 00:00:06,110 --> 00:00:03,419 Sprague the host of the summer in the 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:06,120 skies podcast and I want you to join me 4 00:00:12,499 --> 00:00:09,690 at alien Con alien Conlon's in Baltimore 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:12,509 Maryland on November 9th 10th and 11th 6 00:00:17,420 --> 00:00:14,730 explore the unexplained with your 7 00:00:20,269 --> 00:00:17,430 favorite ancient aliens contributors UFO 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:20,279 researchers and stars from hit sci-fi 9 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:23,130 and SCI fact television shows and films 10 00:00:28,220 --> 00:00:25,529 I'll personally be giving my solo 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:28,230 presentation and I'll also be joining my 12 00:00:33,049 --> 00:00:30,210 good friend and colleague Jason 13 00:00:34,810 --> 00:00:33,059 McClellan of rogue planet to moderate 14 00:00:37,130 --> 00:00:34,820 and take part in panel discussions 15 00:00:39,889 --> 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something is 30 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:16,500 going on I also believe in the definite 31 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:19,530 existence of an afterlife what form that 32 00:01:23,510 --> 00:01:21,450 is exactly I don't know 33 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:23,520 and and I hate to say it but the biggest 34 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:25,710 revelation I've had is I don't know I 35 00:01:32,030 --> 00:01:28,320 thought I had a better handle on things 36 00:01:34,039 --> 00:01:32,040 in 2005 when I started I kind of had a 37 00:01:36,020 --> 00:01:34,049 view of the universe in the world and 38 00:01:38,870 --> 00:01:36,030 I'm like that's what I think is going on 39 00:01:41,149 --> 00:01:38,880 but now I've been challenged by so many 40 00:01:45,050 --> 00:01:41,159 different guests listeners with their 41 00:01:47,690 --> 00:01:45,060 experiences that I know something's 42 00:01:49,130 --> 00:01:47,700 there I know something's going on but it 43 00:01:57,890 --> 00:01:49,140 beats me what it is Ryan 44 00:02:02,510 --> 00:02:01,230 this is somewhere in the skies the 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:02,520 Branzburg 46 00:02:25,660 --> 00:02:23,530 [Music] 47 00:02:28,030 --> 00:02:25,670 welcome to somewhere in the skies 48 00:02:30,759 --> 00:02:28,040 Halloween edition I'm your host Ryan 49 00:02:33,699 --> 00:02:30,769 Sprague and before we get to this week's 50 00:02:36,330 --> 00:02:33,709 very special guests I have to share this 51 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:36,340 creepy listeners story from Andrew 52 00:02:43,119 --> 00:02:41,510 listener beware you're in for a scare my 53 00:02:44,530 --> 00:02:43,129 name is Andrew and I live in a house in 54 00:02:47,380 --> 00:02:44,540 the Holland Park neighborhood of Los 55 00:02:49,390 --> 00:02:47,390 Angeles we are the 3rd occupants in the 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:49,400 house since it was built in 1905 57 00:02:53,229 --> 00:02:51,290 not too long after moving in and we were 58 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:53,239 doing some work in the garage and a 59 00:02:57,539 --> 00:02:55,310 friend noticed an old frame print of the 60 00:02:59,680 --> 00:02:57,549 last supper hanging above a closet door 61 00:03:02,259 --> 00:02:59,690 she's obsessive religious iconography 62 00:03:04,300 --> 00:03:02,269 and end up taking the print and to hang 63 00:03:05,979 --> 00:03:04,310 at her apartment a little bout where she 64 00:03:07,149 --> 00:03:05,989 lived her apartment with a studio on the 65 00:03:09,190 --> 00:03:07,159 second floor of an old building on 66 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:09,200 Figueroa here in Highland Park it was 67 00:03:14,140 --> 00:03:11,690 super creepy place complete with a steep 68 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:14,150 stairway creaky old floors and the 69 00:03:17,979 --> 00:03:15,650 bathroom had an opening in the wall that 70 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:17,989 assumed was an old trash chute there was 71 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:20,209 no door or closure of any kind on this 72 00:03:25,089 --> 00:03:23,209 dark breezy shaft I'd always joke 73 00:03:27,129 --> 00:03:25,099 telling her it was a portal to hell and 74 00:03:29,379 --> 00:03:27,139 a golem creature gonna climb out one 75 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:29,389 night and get her a few months later 76 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:32,329 after hanging the Last Supper print she 77 00:03:36,190 --> 00:03:33,530 went out of town and I stayed there 78 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:36,200 thinking it would be the perfect setting 79 00:03:40,869 --> 00:03:38,480 to focus on the script I was working on 80 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:40,879 at the time I soon found out that wasn't 81 00:03:44,530 --> 00:03:42,799 the case it sounded like her upstairs 82 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:44,540 neighbors were rearranging apartment 83 00:03:49,420 --> 00:03:46,489 most tonight and they had a toddler who 84 00:03:51,789 --> 00:03:49,430 ran across the floor constantly if all 85 00:03:54,220 --> 00:03:51,799 your neighbors settle down about Tim and 86 00:03:56,020 --> 00:03:54,230 after getting some work done I settled 87 00:03:57,369 --> 00:03:56,030 down myself to get some sleep I think 88 00:04:00,369 --> 00:03:57,379 this was about two o'clock in the 89 00:04:02,229 --> 00:04:00,379 morning around dawn I was awakened from 90 00:04:04,750 --> 00:04:02,239 sleep by the bed slightly shaking 91 00:04:07,089 --> 00:04:04,760 followed by only described as a deep 92 00:04:11,289 --> 00:04:07,099 guttural demonic voice coming from the 93 00:04:13,689 --> 00:04:11,299 wall behind my head that kind of crazy 94 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:13,699 sounding noise I just never had heard 95 00:04:18,849 --> 00:04:16,820 anything like it the wall behind me is 96 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:18,859 an exterior wall the building I had 97 00:04:22,150 --> 00:04:20,510 never heard anything like it before it 98 00:04:24,550 --> 00:04:22,160 totally freaked me out after gathering 99 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:24,560 my senses I quickly packed my things up 100 00:04:30,180 --> 00:04:28,310 and vacated back to my house a few days 101 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:30,190 later my friend returned 102 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:31,960 she stopped by my house to pick up her 103 00:04:36,780 --> 00:04:34,570 keys I told her experience I had while 104 00:04:38,670 --> 00:04:36,790 she was gone as tears welled up in her 105 00:04:42,030 --> 00:04:38,680 eyes she told me she'd heard the same 106 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:42,040 voice and that she had heard strange and 107 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:44,290 scary things happening this was 108 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:45,850 happening to her on a rubber basis often 109 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:48,130 she would hear the sound of her shower 110 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:50,710 curtain opening like the shower curtain 111 00:04:55,710 --> 00:04:53,110 rings clinking across the bar as they 112 00:04:57,450 --> 00:04:55,720 were being pulled back and forth she 113 00:05:00,240 --> 00:04:57,460 would hear these footsteps in the same 114 00:05:01,950 --> 00:05:00,250 area again back and forth she would 115 00:05:04,110 --> 00:05:01,960 running like go and see if there was 116 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:04,120 anything there and would find nothing 117 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:06,130 we decided these things started 118 00:05:10,470 --> 00:05:08,290 happening after she brought the Last 119 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:10,480 Supper print to her apartment she went 120 00:05:14,850 --> 00:05:13,090 home got the print brought it back to my 121 00:05:16,530 --> 00:05:14,860 house put it back in the garage where 122 00:05:18,390 --> 00:05:16,540 she had had where it was originally 123 00:05:20,780 --> 00:05:18,400 hanging and where it still hangs today 124 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:20,790 we all came to the conclusion that maybe 125 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:23,410 the print was a cursed object and it 126 00:05:28,590 --> 00:05:25,690 needed to be just left alone after that 127 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:28,600 it was all quiet this exception of the 128 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:31,450 noisy upstairs neighbors my friend moved 129 00:05:35,580 --> 00:05:34,090 out later that year several years later 130 00:05:38,580 --> 00:05:35,590 I was walking by the apartment and 131 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:38,590 noticed it had been remodeled but the 132 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:41,290 odd thing was that all the windows in 133 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:43,270 her former unit were boarded up seeing 134 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:45,970 that instantly gave me chills all this 135 00:05:49,950 --> 00:05:47,590 leads me to believe that the issue 136 00:05:52,590 --> 00:05:49,960 wasn't the print itself and that maybe 137 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:52,600 something in the building or in that 138 00:05:57,900 --> 00:05:55,450 portal to Hell looking shaft in the 139 00:06:00,510 --> 00:05:57,910 bathroom was just not okay with the Last 140 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:00,520 Supper a print hanging on the wall so 141 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:02,110 like most creepy stories we'll never 142 00:06:06,570 --> 00:06:04,090 know what caused all those strange 143 00:06:08,190 --> 00:06:06,580 things to happen but I do know that last 144 00:06:11,780 --> 00:06:08,200 supper print will not be moved from its 145 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:11,790 spot as long as I live in this house 146 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:15,610 yeah so I will never look at that Last 147 00:06:20,460 --> 00:06:17,710 Supper printer than my parents dining 148 00:06:21,180 --> 00:06:20,470 room with the same ever again thanks 149 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:21,190 Andrew 150 00:06:26,580 --> 00:06:23,860 also it really wouldn't surprise me if 151 00:06:30,210 --> 00:06:26,590 the portal to Hell actually was in Los 152 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:30,220 Angeles in a bathroom just say thanks 153 00:06:34,590 --> 00:06:32,440 again to Andrew for sharing this creepy 154 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:34,600 story with us he's got some other 155 00:06:37,530 --> 00:06:36,730 stories to tell so stay tuned for that 156 00:06:44,850 --> 00:06:37,540 in 157 00:06:48,060 --> 00:06:44,860 there was a time when you first tripped 158 00:06:50,820 --> 00:06:48,070 upon your very first podcast and if 159 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:50,830 you're like me you were hooked you'd not 160 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:53,290 only listen every episode but you waited 161 00:06:59,520 --> 00:06:57,250 ever so unpatient ly for more and that 162 00:07:04,560 --> 00:06:59,530 has been the case for me with one show 163 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:04,570 for the past 13 years since 2005 he has 164 00:07:10,860 --> 00:07:07,810 produced almost 600 episodes of the 165 00:07:14,010 --> 00:07:10,870 paranormal podcast and I've heard every 166 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:14,020 single one of them said today we're 167 00:07:19,410 --> 00:07:15,610 going to be talking to the creator and 168 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:19,420 host Jim Herold Jim Harold has had a 169 00:07:24,660 --> 00:07:21,490 lifelong love affair with the strange 170 00:07:27,150 --> 00:07:24,670 the supernatural and the unexplained the 171 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:27,160 paranormal podcast and Jim Harold's 172 00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:29,650 campfire are frequently among the top 173 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:32,500 podcasts in their categories on iTunes 174 00:07:37,350 --> 00:07:35,290 often out breaking programs from 175 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:37,360 mainstream media publishers 176 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:39,730 he's also authored five books containing 177 00:07:43,950 --> 00:07:42,160 countless stories of the strange that 178 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:43,960 he's chronicled throughout his many 179 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:45,970 years of interviews and listener 180 00:07:52,190 --> 00:07:48,730 submissions he has since spawned various 181 00:07:55,050 --> 00:07:52,200 other podcasts including true crime UFOs 182 00:07:57,660 --> 00:07:55,060 conspiracies cryptids and ancient 183 00:08:00,330 --> 00:07:57,670 mysteries his favorite pastime is 184 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:00,340 terrifying his listeners with creepy 185 00:08:06,870 --> 00:08:04,270 campfire stories so pull up a log get 186 00:08:12,270 --> 00:08:06,880 warm and get spooked with our very 187 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:12,280 special guest Jim Harold thank you so 188 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:14,050 much for joining me this Halloween 189 00:08:19,860 --> 00:08:16,930 season Jim I'm glad to be back thank you 190 00:08:22,830 --> 00:08:19,870 so much for the invite I always enjoy 191 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:22,840 talking spooky stuff with you the UFO 192 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:24,970 expert and do something maybe a little 193 00:08:29,730 --> 00:08:27,280 bit different this time of year and it's 194 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:29,740 an honor to be on the program absolutely 195 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:31,810 man this is this is my favorite time of 196 00:08:37,409 --> 00:08:34,090 the year I mean I can talk UFOs forever 197 00:08:39,390 --> 00:08:37,419 but this is the stuff I crave and that I 198 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:39,400 want to bring to my audience you might 199 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:42,130 not think about these topics that often 200 00:08:47,550 --> 00:08:44,830 in that's ghost supernatural just know 201 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:47,560 claimed spooky and Jim your show it was 202 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:50,170 the first podcast I ever listened to and 203 00:08:53,699 --> 00:08:51,310 I've heard every 204 00:08:56,999 --> 00:08:53,709 episode since the very beginning it was 205 00:08:59,150 --> 00:08:57,009 a huge inspiration in both my research 206 00:09:01,619 --> 00:08:59,160 and my dive into the world of podcasting 207 00:09:04,290 --> 00:09:01,629 so this is a huge honor for me as well 208 00:09:05,970 --> 00:09:04,300 so I'm happy to have you here not 209 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:05,980 talking about the mysteries in our skies 210 00:09:10,410 --> 00:09:08,050 but the mystery is that seem don't want 211 00:09:13,009 --> 00:09:10,420 us here on the ground so so yeah before 212 00:09:16,049 --> 00:09:13,019 we get to the the stories that I know 213 00:09:18,929 --> 00:09:16,059 everyone is here for I always have to 214 00:09:20,999 --> 00:09:18,939 ask first time guests on somewhere in 215 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:21,009 the skies you know their origin story 216 00:09:25,470 --> 00:09:22,990 how did you get started in podcasting 217 00:09:27,150 --> 00:09:25,480 and in particular with the paranormal 218 00:09:29,999 --> 00:09:27,160 let's run through that if you don't mind 219 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:30,009 well I had gone to school for 220 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:33,370 broadcasting and I ended up when I 221 00:09:38,730 --> 00:09:36,370 graduated I ended up working in radio 222 00:09:42,689 --> 00:09:38,740 but I ended up working on the business 223 00:09:45,179 --> 00:09:42,699 side the advertising side and about a 224 00:09:48,329 --> 00:09:45,189 dozen years after I started this is in 225 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:48,339 the mid 2000s I looked up I said you 226 00:09:53,579 --> 00:09:51,850 know my my dream my goal was to be a 227 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:53,589 broadcaster whether that was as a 228 00:09:58,470 --> 00:09:56,529 producer or as on-air talent that was 229 00:10:00,689 --> 00:09:58,480 kind of what my schooling was driving 230 00:10:03,210 --> 00:10:00,699 towards ended up again working behind 231 00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:03,220 the scenes and advertising and it was 232 00:10:06,509 --> 00:10:04,809 interesting and I got to do a lot of 233 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:06,519 cool things and write copy and things 234 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:09,250 was like I'm never gonna get to do what 235 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:11,500 I really wanted to do because at that 236 00:10:16,579 --> 00:10:14,319 point I was in my mid-30s I had a wife 237 00:10:18,449 --> 00:10:16,589 and two kids and a mortgage and 238 00:10:21,299 --> 00:10:18,459 responsibilities I couldn't very well 239 00:10:23,369 --> 00:10:21,309 just quit my job and say oh I'm going to 240 00:10:24,929 --> 00:10:23,379 go follow my dream you know it just 241 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:24,939 wasn't practical 242 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:27,370 I'd heard people like Adam curry and Leo 243 00:10:32,150 --> 00:10:29,769 Laporte legendary broadcast 244 00:10:37,499 --> 00:10:32,160 professionals doing these things called 245 00:10:39,299 --> 00:10:37,509 podcasts and this is in 2005 and I said 246 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:39,309 oh I could never do that but then I 247 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:42,490 heard some of the homemade ones that 248 00:10:45,629 --> 00:10:44,110 people did themselves like in their 249 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:45,639 basement and I'm like well I might not 250 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:47,290 be able to do what Leo and Adam are 251 00:10:50,249 --> 00:10:48,970 doing but I can I can do that and I 252 00:10:53,189 --> 00:10:50,259 think I might even be able to do a 253 00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:53,199 little bit better so anyway just for fun 254 00:10:58,169 --> 00:10:55,360 I decided I was going to start 255 00:11:00,150 --> 00:10:58,179 podcasting to kind of scratch my 256 00:11:02,730 --> 00:11:00,160 broadcasting itch and I figured you know 257 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:02,740 maybe I'd be lucky if 20 people listened 258 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:04,689 but heck that would be 20 people and a 259 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:05,050 bill 260 00:11:10,259 --> 00:11:07,930 lot of fun and I said okay well the next 261 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:10,269 thing is what am I gonna podcast I and 262 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:12,490 Ryan I kept going back to different 263 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:14,529 interests of mine you know I've always 264 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:17,410 been interested in sports music politics 265 00:11:22,350 --> 00:11:19,810 but to me all of that stuff has been 266 00:11:25,740 --> 00:11:22,360 done to death you know they're the you 267 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:25,750 know I'm not gonna replace you know the 268 00:11:30,750 --> 00:11:27,760 the people who do that sort of thing or 269 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:30,760 or add anything to the conversation but 270 00:11:34,170 --> 00:11:32,170 then I thought about it I thought about 271 00:11:36,150 --> 00:11:34,180 all of the times that I went to a 272 00:11:39,150 --> 00:11:36,160 bookstore when they still had those and 273 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:39,160 a library and the first section I would 274 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:41,769 go to and it was always too small was 275 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:44,649 that of unexplained phenomena and it 276 00:11:50,699 --> 00:11:48,910 would be ghosts cryptids UFOs I was 277 00:11:52,199 --> 00:11:50,709 almost fascinated by that stuff going 278 00:11:54,389 --> 00:11:52,209 back to when I was a little kid and 279 00:11:56,509 --> 00:11:54,399 watched Leonard Nimoy on in search of 280 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:56,519 and then later on of course art bell 281 00:12:01,560 --> 00:11:59,050 listening to him on the radio and I said 282 00:12:04,019 --> 00:12:01,570 you know what I don't see many podcasts 283 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:04,029 about the paranormal now to me the 284 00:12:09,690 --> 00:12:06,910 paranormal is a very big tent I include 285 00:12:12,329 --> 00:12:09,700 within paranormal cryptids ghosts head 286 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:12,339 scratchers UFOs so I have a broader 287 00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:14,860 definition than most people of that and 288 00:12:19,079 --> 00:12:16,990 I said there's there's there's nothing 289 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:19,089 really out there for podcasts which were 290 00:12:23,610 --> 00:12:21,790 brand new I I mean nobody knew what they 291 00:12:25,710 --> 00:12:23,620 were very few people a few online 292 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:25,720 enthusiasts there isn't really something 293 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:28,240 here for the paranormal that I would 294 00:12:31,740 --> 00:12:30,250 listen to and I thought well I'll start 295 00:12:33,540 --> 00:12:31,750 a showing I'll interview these people 296 00:12:38,699 --> 00:12:33,550 about the paranormal in six months I'll 297 00:12:41,010 --> 00:12:38,709 have it all figured out first mistake 298 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:41,020 but anyway I said well what could I call 299 00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:43,540 it okay what's a paranormal and it's a 300 00:12:47,970 --> 00:12:45,760 podcast it's the paranormal and some 301 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:47,980 podcast I'm like well I know what I 302 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:49,779 would call it but I'm sure somebody's 303 00:12:53,790 --> 00:12:51,490 got it I'll call it the paranormal 304 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:53,800 podcast and I look and lo and behold 305 00:12:59,130 --> 00:12:56,170 nobody has the domain name nobody has 306 00:13:02,579 --> 00:12:59,140 the name and I'm like I'm gonna do the 307 00:13:05,370 --> 00:13:02,589 paranormal podcast so that's what I did 308 00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:05,380 and it started as a hobby and more and 309 00:13:10,170 --> 00:13:07,750 more people started listening and you 310 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:10,180 know first couple of years I would stop 311 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:11,769 and not do a show for a few months and 312 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:13,120 come back and I kept getting all these 313 00:13:17,490 --> 00:13:15,310 people saying hey Jim when's your next 314 00:13:18,670 --> 00:13:17,500 show and then and then in my day job I 315 00:13:20,079 --> 00:13:18,680 was like beating my head again 316 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:20,089 the wall because I was working for this 317 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:22,730 big radio conglomerate and I'm trying to 318 00:13:26,980 --> 00:13:24,770 get these salespeople to sell digital 319 00:13:28,750 --> 00:13:26,990 you know Internet advertising in there 320 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:28,760 right there's nothing to this stuff it's 321 00:13:32,860 --> 00:13:30,730 not gonna last and I'm trying to in 322 00:13:35,139 --> 00:13:32,870 vandalize the Internet to these be able 323 00:13:37,090 --> 00:13:35,149 but yet all these people online want to 324 00:13:38,470 --> 00:13:37,100 hear my show and I'm like well wait a 325 00:13:40,389 --> 00:13:38,480 minute I'm beating my head against the 326 00:13:42,579 --> 00:13:40,399 wall over here over here people are 327 00:13:46,150 --> 00:13:42,589 clamoring so I started doing the shows 328 00:13:48,970 --> 00:13:46,160 really regularly in 2008 I rolled out 329 00:13:51,130 --> 00:13:48,980 the campfire in 2009 it kept growing and 330 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:51,140 growing and growing eventually start 331 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:53,510 making a little money and then in 2012 I 332 00:13:57,490 --> 00:13:55,610 went to my wife and I said you know what 333 00:14:01,750 --> 00:13:57,500 if I quit my full-time job into this 334 00:14:04,090 --> 00:14:01,760 full-time and to her credit he didn't 335 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:04,100 throw me out of the house she said yeah 336 00:14:08,380 --> 00:14:06,890 I think you should do that and I've been 337 00:14:10,570 --> 00:14:08,390 doing it for over six years now 338 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:10,580 full-time thank you so much to my 339 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:12,470 audience and we do the paranormal 340 00:14:16,570 --> 00:14:14,810 podcast the campfire outs to do a 341 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:16,580 true-crime podcast called Jim Harold's 342 00:14:20,650 --> 00:14:19,130 crime scene and my plus shows which are 343 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:20,660 a large part of the way that I make 344 00:14:23,769 --> 00:14:22,250 money but I always steer people to the 345 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:23,779 free content if they've never heard me 346 00:14:29,140 --> 00:14:26,690 before the paranormal podcast which are 347 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:29,150 interviews very kind of reminiscent of a 348 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:31,760 coast-to-coast am to be honest and and 349 00:14:34,810 --> 00:14:33,680 then Jim Harold's campfire which is a 350 00:14:38,290 --> 00:14:34,820 lot of what we're going to talk about 351 00:14:40,210 --> 00:14:38,300 today where real people say Jim this 352 00:14:42,070 --> 00:14:40,220 strange thing happened to me could be a 353 00:14:45,460 --> 00:14:42,080 ghost could be a cryptid could even be a 354 00:14:48,010 --> 00:14:45,470 UFO but they are true stories and I 355 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:48,020 really enjoy speaking to people all over 356 00:14:54,699 --> 00:14:51,740 their world and sharing their spooky 357 00:14:56,170 --> 00:14:54,709 stories so yes so I mean again I've been 358 00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:56,180 listening from the very beginning and 359 00:15:00,730 --> 00:14:57,740 when you started campfire I was like yes 360 00:15:03,130 --> 00:15:00,740 this is what I like I like to hear from 361 00:15:05,230 --> 00:15:03,140 the people having the experiences giving 362 00:15:07,930 --> 00:15:05,240 them a voice and that's kind of what you 363 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:07,940 did with this and campfire has spawned 364 00:15:14,050 --> 00:15:11,690 five books at this point and a podcast 365 00:15:16,660 --> 00:15:14,060 that collectively contain hundreds of 366 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:16,670 ghosts and supernatural stories and I 367 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:18,050 thought today would be a great time you 368 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:19,730 know this being the Halloween season to 369 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:22,490 hear some of your personal favorite 370 00:15:26,650 --> 00:15:24,529 stories from the books and the podcast 371 00:15:29,260 --> 00:15:26,660 that that have really stuck with you 372 00:15:31,390 --> 00:15:29,270 throughout the years so I'm gonna to let 373 00:15:34,090 --> 00:15:31,400 you take the reins here my friend 374 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:34,100 and what is like some of the the best 375 00:15:38,530 --> 00:15:36,050 stories you've come across throughout 376 00:15:41,019 --> 00:15:38,540 all of your time collecting these from 377 00:15:42,940 --> 00:15:41,029 your listeners and beyond well it's a 378 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:42,950 cliche but it's like asking somebody who 379 00:15:46,650 --> 00:15:44,510 their favorite children are but the 380 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:46,660 thing is is that we always have new 381 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:49,130 great stories and there's certain 382 00:15:53,079 --> 00:15:50,690 tried-and-true ones I tell but I'm going 383 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:53,089 to share to start out one that really is 384 00:15:58,269 --> 00:15:55,790 like a ten on the creepy factor it's not 385 00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:58,279 a long story but it just came in over 386 00:16:03,490 --> 00:16:00,320 the last couple of weeks and it was 387 00:16:05,579 --> 00:16:03,500 about this this woman called in and she 388 00:16:08,860 --> 00:16:05,589 said my mom used to work at a 389 00:16:11,950 --> 00:16:08,870 psychiatric hospital and there were 390 00:16:15,820 --> 00:16:11,960 patients at different levels who you 391 00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:15,830 know some were had more freedom and and 392 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:17,990 could interact with the staff and chat 393 00:16:20,620 --> 00:16:19,250 with the staff and things and maybe 394 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:20,630 there were people who were a little more 395 00:16:24,010 --> 00:16:22,160 severe where you know they had to be 396 00:16:27,730 --> 00:16:24,020 very very careful about that kind of 397 00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:27,740 thing but this one patient I came down 398 00:16:32,350 --> 00:16:30,110 and talked to her mom who worked at the 399 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:32,360 psychiatric hospital and the offices 400 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:34,610 like the cubes and things were down in 401 00:16:40,390 --> 00:16:37,930 the basement of this of this place and 402 00:16:42,820 --> 00:16:40,400 the the patient came and they were 403 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:42,830 having a conversation and then the the 404 00:16:48,070 --> 00:16:44,810 patient seemed disturbed and the patient 405 00:16:52,210 --> 00:16:48,080 said I have to get out of here I smell 406 00:16:56,050 --> 00:16:52,220 dead skin and the woman said okay okay 407 00:16:57,790 --> 00:16:56,060 and the patient laughed and she thought 408 00:16:59,470 --> 00:16:57,800 well that's very odd but again you know 409 00:17:01,690 --> 00:16:59,480 we're dealing with people who have some 410 00:17:04,179 --> 00:17:01,700 issues here so maybe this is just in 411 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:04,189 keeping with that so she's having lunch 412 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:06,260 or something with her colleagues and she 413 00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:07,970 had been there for a while but there 414 00:17:12,850 --> 00:17:09,439 been people had been there you know for 415 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:12,860 a much longer time and the woman 416 00:17:18,730 --> 00:17:15,110 recounted this conversation about this 417 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:18,740 woman saying I smell dead skin and one 418 00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:20,089 of the people they've been there a long 419 00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,120 time she said well you know at one time 420 00:17:32,620 --> 00:17:26,000 our office is down in the basement that 421 00:17:34,780 --> 00:17:32,630 used to be the morgue and again you know 422 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:34,790 you're thinking maybe this woman is 423 00:17:40,419 --> 00:17:36,410 going this way because she has some 424 00:17:43,780 --> 00:17:40,429 issues but no no she sensed something 425 00:17:46,750 --> 00:17:43,790 you know she she had it so it really is 426 00:17:48,490 --> 00:17:46,760 um very very strange and yeah I'll give 427 00:17:51,730 --> 00:17:48,500 you one that I call one of my weirdest 428 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:51,740 campfire experiences okay we had a 429 00:17:58,930 --> 00:17:55,610 caller maybe three weeks ago and he was 430 00:18:02,650 --> 00:17:58,940 telling this story about a dream he had 431 00:18:05,530 --> 00:18:02,660 about his foe's grandfather in bed he 432 00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:05,540 felt that his grandfather was getting a 433 00:18:11,170 --> 00:18:08,720 message to him and I said oh well that 434 00:18:14,410 --> 00:18:11,180 that reminds me of a story and I started 435 00:18:15,670 --> 00:18:14,420 to recount a story that a caller had 436 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:15,680 called in several years ago and I'll 437 00:18:20,290 --> 00:18:17,840 just go ahead and tell that story that 438 00:18:22,030 --> 00:18:20,300 story was is that it was a woman who I 439 00:18:23,170 --> 00:18:22,040 believe she was living with her mom at 440 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:23,180 the time I think she was still a 441 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:26,810 teenager and she had had to dream about 442 00:18:33,010 --> 00:18:29,810 her uncle the night before and her uncle 443 00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:33,020 had lost his leg before she was born so 444 00:18:37,780 --> 00:18:35,540 she always knew him to have you know the 445 00:18:39,100 --> 00:18:37,790 the one leg was gone and he had the 446 00:18:40,780 --> 00:18:39,110 other way give us in some kind of car 447 00:18:43,210 --> 00:18:40,790 accident or something she had this very 448 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:43,220 vivid dream of him walking across a 449 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:46,010 field dressed up I think in a suit and 450 00:18:50,860 --> 00:18:48,590 he was smiling he had both legs and he 451 00:18:54,190 --> 00:18:50,870 was walking and he looked back at her 452 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:54,200 point of view and waved in the dream so 453 00:19:00,040 --> 00:18:56,570 the next morning she tells a story to 454 00:19:02,020 --> 00:19:00,050 her mom while they're talking the phone 455 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:02,030 rings and they pick it up and it's 456 00:19:06,610 --> 00:19:03,890 someone calling another family member to 457 00:19:08,410 --> 00:19:06,620 say he had died the night before so 458 00:19:10,030 --> 00:19:08,420 that's a pretty stunning story in and of 459 00:19:12,550 --> 00:19:10,040 itself in this story that this gentleman 460 00:19:14,350 --> 00:19:12,560 told me I think his name is Saul told me 461 00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:14,360 on the show just a couple of weeks ago 462 00:19:19,630 --> 00:19:17,600 was very similar to that I said oh I I 463 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:19,640 said Saul this room and that reminds me 464 00:19:25,090 --> 00:19:23,240 of this story I said and I started to 465 00:19:28,810 --> 00:19:25,100 tell the story about this gentleman who 466 00:19:30,550 --> 00:19:28,820 passed away with the one like and I said 467 00:19:34,030 --> 00:19:30,560 so let's say that the guy's name was 468 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:34,040 Fred and he said my grandfather's name 469 00:19:41,230 --> 00:19:39,050 was Fred and and I went back and 470 00:19:42,730 --> 00:19:41,240 listened and the guy the guy who was in 471 00:19:44,590 --> 00:19:42,740 this dream his name wasn't Fred I just 472 00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:44,600 thought I pulled Fred out of thin air 473 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:48,080 but maybe maybe the grandfather somehow 474 00:19:52,180 --> 00:19:50,330 seeded that into the universe so I would 475 00:19:54,970 --> 00:19:52,190 say the word Fred and that was just of 476 00:19:57,810 --> 00:19:54,980 all the names like Jim and you know kind 477 00:20:00,690 --> 00:19:57,820 of old school commonplace names 478 00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:00,700 Bob Jim George you know I just happened 479 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:02,560 to pull thread out of the out of the air 480 00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:04,630 supposedly and it was actually the name 481 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:06,550 of his grandfather which I did not know 482 00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:10,450 so sometimes it's like when you look it 483 00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:11,980 wasn't Nietzsche when you look into the 484 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:14,320 abyss looks back and sometimes I think 485 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:17,010 this stuff has has a little fun with us 486 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:20,050 yes absolutely you know there are no 487 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:22,690 coincidences a lot of people believe for 488 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:26,050 sure yeah that's funny Jim it reminds me 489 00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:29,530 so much of when my grandfather first 490 00:20:35,550 --> 00:20:32,500 passed away on my mother's side I I 491 00:20:37,650 --> 00:20:35,560 didn't think you know I I always wanted 492 00:20:39,660 --> 00:20:37,660 to see him I wanted to experience him 493 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:39,670 and that's that kind of put me on that 494 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:42,610 path to to search for the paranormal the 495 00:20:46,530 --> 00:20:44,860 supernatural like I wanted to talk to my 496 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:46,540 grandfather and it just wasn't happening 497 00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,690 and I I became more and more skeptical 498 00:20:54,330 --> 00:20:52,000 as the years went on no matter how much 499 00:20:56,670 --> 00:20:54,340 I tried to communicate with him and then 500 00:21:00,210 --> 00:20:56,680 one night I just happened to fall asleep 501 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:00,220 and in the background of my dream not 502 00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:02,170 even at the forefront he was just 503 00:21:07,230 --> 00:21:04,030 sitting there sort of watching 504 00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,240 everything you know play out in my dream 505 00:21:12,540 --> 00:21:09,520 which was like a birthday party of sorts 506 00:21:14,460 --> 00:21:12,550 for our family and you know in the dream 507 00:21:16,830 --> 00:21:14,470 I knew he was already gone but he was 508 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:16,840 just sitting there and then he finally 509 00:21:21,420 --> 00:21:19,390 came up to me and said I'm sorry it took 510 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:21,430 me so long what do you want to talk 511 00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:23,650 about and what happens I wake up so 512 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:26,320 don't you have to wonder man you have to 513 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:29,800 wonder well I I think that you know I 514 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:32,590 think people expect a full-body 515 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:34,750 apparition that's going to come up to 516 00:21:39,210 --> 00:21:37,510 them and say hi and you know dance the 517 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:39,220 tango in front of you know something 518 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:41,320 extremely like hit you over the head and 519 00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:42,970 I'm sure that kind of thing happens 520 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,750 sometimes 521 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:45,760 but I think that it tends to be a lot 522 00:21:50,850 --> 00:21:48,070 more subtle and I'll give you something 523 00:21:52,860 --> 00:21:50,860 that happened to me last year that I 524 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:52,870 thought was an example of that an 525 00:21:57,150 --> 00:21:55,210 experience I had I was on a paranormal 526 00:22:00,930 --> 00:21:57,160 cruise with our mutual friends Myka 527 00:22:03,630 --> 00:22:00,940 Hanks and rosemary ellen guiley and we 528 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:03,640 were we had cruisers attendees there it 529 00:22:08,430 --> 00:22:05,770 was the mysteries cruise and we were 530 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:08,440 doing a kind of conference at sea day 531 00:22:14,180 --> 00:22:11,530 where they would listen to us give 532 00:22:17,550 --> 00:22:14,190 presentations about different topics and 533 00:22:19,290 --> 00:22:17,560 was just as it says like a conference it 534 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:19,300 seemed that day the other day we did a 535 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:21,010 lot of stuff you do on a cruise but that 536 00:22:27,330 --> 00:22:23,050 day was dedicated to these presentations 537 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:27,340 so anyway I had been battling a cold in 538 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:29,200 a sore throat for the whole cruise which 539 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:30,760 was one of the sad things cuz it was 540 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:33,070 such a good time and rosemary and Myka's 541 00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:34,690 you know are great people so 542 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:36,790 knowledgeable and just generally such 543 00:22:40,530 --> 00:22:38,950 great fun people but anyway I've been 544 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:40,540 battling a little bit of cold and I had 545 00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,090 a sore throat so in between 546 00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:44,320 presentations I thought oh I'll sneak 547 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:45,670 out and I'll get a cup of coffee 548 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:48,690 something then warm up the old pipes and 549 00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,130 to do that you had to walk through the 550 00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:52,960 casino because you know the cruise lines 551 00:22:56,430 --> 00:22:54,820 are very smart about that they put those 552 00:22:59,340 --> 00:22:56,440 casinos where you've got to walk through 553 00:23:01,320 --> 00:22:59,350 them to get to anything so you'll maybe 554 00:23:03,870 --> 00:23:01,330 leave some of your money while you're 555 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:03,880 there so anyway I'm getting ready to 556 00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:06,370 step out of the conference room getting 557 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:08,500 ready to walk across the casino floor 558 00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:12,430 and I see one of the cruisers playing a 559 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:15,100 crane game where it has the claw and it 560 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:18,510 comes down and it grabs money hmm and 561 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:21,130 the funny thing about that is is that 562 00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:24,070 when I see one of those machines I think 563 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:26,710 of my uncle my uncle was like my second 564 00:23:31,260 --> 00:23:29,710 dad and he grew up and he lived with us 565 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:31,270 which was kind of unconventional but he 566 00:23:38,010 --> 00:23:34,510 lived with our family and so he was like 567 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:38,020 again it was like my two dads so anyhow 568 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:41,410 he passed in 2013 and I had such an 569 00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:43,390 overpowering feeling when I saw that 570 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:46,150 crane machine oh my gosh I wish my uncle 571 00:23:50,010 --> 00:23:47,980 were here because he loved those 572 00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,020 machines he used to go to and he didn't 573 00:23:53,490 --> 00:23:52,240 never played one in a casino but he 574 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,500 would always play them when he come out 575 00:23:58,680 --> 00:23:56,080 of the the big box stores and they have 576 00:24:01,380 --> 00:23:58,690 them there and you drop in your money 577 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:01,390 and you try to win a 99-cent stuffed 578 00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:03,730 animal and he would drop ten bucks 579 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:05,710 trying to win that 99-cent stuffed 580 00:24:11,370 --> 00:24:07,870 animal so he always loved these things I 581 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:11,380 say man I wish that he could be here he 582 00:24:16,500 --> 00:24:14,650 would love that so much that would be so 583 00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:16,510 great wouldn't it be great if he were 584 00:24:20,130 --> 00:24:18,070 here and he could play I really wish 585 00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:20,140 your ear it was very I mean it wasn't 586 00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:22,870 just a slight I just had an intense 587 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:28,330 just then as I was thinking that in this 588 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:29,900 gentleman the cruiser was playing the 589 00:24:33,550 --> 00:24:32,090 clocking a woman walks up next to him 590 00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:33,560 just to the side of him she cups her 591 00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:38,830 hand to her mouth and she says John John 592 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:42,830 guess what my uncle's name was Oh God 593 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,450 and again Ryan along the idea of there 594 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:50,000 no are no coincidence now is it possible 595 00:24:54,910 --> 00:24:51,500 I and I think she was looking for a 596 00:24:57,790 --> 00:24:54,920 husband her husband but the the point is 597 00:24:59,380 --> 00:24:57,800 is that what are the chances that I'd be 598 00:25:01,090 --> 00:24:59,390 coming out of that conference room at 599 00:25:03,010 --> 00:25:01,100 that time the guy would be playing the 600 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:03,020 crane machine at that time I'd have that 601 00:25:06,610 --> 00:25:04,610 thought at that time and then her 602 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:06,620 husband would go missing with the same 603 00:25:09,730 --> 00:25:08,090 name at the same time and she would 604 00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:09,740 happen to say it if it had been 30 605 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:11,960 seconds earlier 30 seconds later I 606 00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:14,810 wouldn't have heard it I mean to me that 607 00:25:22,330 --> 00:25:20,390 was my uncle in a very under X for 608 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:22,340 thinking of me I'm still around still 609 00:25:27,670 --> 00:25:24,110 care for you still looking out for you I 610 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:27,680 believe that I do too and I'm sure you 611 00:25:32,590 --> 00:25:29,510 know so many of the stories throughout 612 00:25:35,140 --> 00:25:32,600 the years that you've heard that that is 613 00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:35,150 the case I mean that sometimes that's 614 00:25:39,910 --> 00:25:37,910 all it takes is just a coincidence of 615 00:25:42,670 --> 00:25:39,920 some sort from someone here on this 616 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,680 earthly plane to bring that through and 617 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:43,760 I've always found that very interesting 618 00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:46,010 as well as you know all these ghost 619 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:48,260 hunters out there on television and 620 00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:50,330 whatnot they're either in these houses 621 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:52,520 and they've got their gadgets and 622 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:54,770 they're asking these spirits these 623 00:26:00,970 --> 00:25:56,930 supposed spirits you know move this 624 00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:00,980 pencil or you know knock once and I 625 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:02,630 always think to myself Jim how 626 00:26:08,980 --> 00:26:05,150 condescending is it that these people 627 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:08,990 are on the other side and they finally 628 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,810 found some way to tap in and talk to us 629 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,240 possibly communicate and we ask them to 630 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:16,640 move a pencil I just can't imagine being 631 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:18,170 on there and to being like seriously 632 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:20,330 like I could probably you know knock 633 00:26:25,380 --> 00:26:22,010 down a whole wall in this place if I 634 00:26:28,570 --> 00:26:25,390 wanted right well the thing is is that 635 00:26:30,430 --> 00:26:28,580 again I'm not anti ghost hunters and the 636 00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,440 people that do the TV shows but people 637 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:32,480 and sometimes you know if the 638 00:26:36,190 --> 00:26:34,070 uninitiated are people who aren't 639 00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:36,200 familiar with me want to interview me or 640 00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:37,340 something's like oh you're a ghost 641 00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:39,040 hunter it's like no I'm not 642 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,720 I mean to me you know I I I consider 643 00:26:49,890 --> 00:26:46,320 myself like a sports an old-school 644 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:49,900 sportscaster was I mean no you know 645 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,020 probably 75% of sports casters played 646 00:26:57,390 --> 00:26:54,960 the sport that they cover if you turn on 647 00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:57,400 NFL football you know most of the sports 648 00:27:01,920 --> 00:26:58,990 casters are gonna be former football 649 00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:01,930 players but there was a time and there's 650 00:27:05,670 --> 00:27:04,060 still some but there was a time where 651 00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:05,680 there were people who were professional 652 00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,670 sports casters and they just covered 653 00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:10,960 covered the sport and I think that was 654 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:13,150 good in a way because they kind of able 655 00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:14,800 to look at things a little bit arm's 656 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:17,350 length and that's why you know I and 657 00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:18,910 I've had opportunities but I've never 658 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:25,300 really wanted to become a a quote ghost 659 00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:27,760 hunter or a paranormal investigator have 660 00:27:34,530 --> 00:27:30,700 I been on a couple of really kind of 661 00:27:36,690 --> 00:27:34,540 light investigations yes but for the 662 00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:36,700 most part I think my greatest value is 663 00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:39,280 being a chronicler of the stories to 664 00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:41,620 facilitate people who are investigators 665 00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:43,750 and researchers to get their information 666 00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:46,870 out just for me I think that that is the 667 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:49,840 best place to be is someone who is more 668 00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:52,170 of a facilitator than an active 669 00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:54,070 participant doesn't mean I don't believe 670 00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:55,900 in it and doesn't mean that I belittle 671 00:28:01,050 --> 00:27:58,720 what these people do because I think it 672 00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,060 could be very good in some cases but 673 00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:03,520 it's not for me I'm I'm more into 674 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:05,320 chronicling stories and the thing about 675 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:07,390 it Ryan is when we talk about people who 676 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:10,570 call campfire they have no skin in the 677 00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:13,330 game as it were you know no no they're 678 00:28:17,550 --> 00:28:15,640 not gonna make any money from it you 679 00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:17,560 know they're not gonna get super famous 680 00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:19,660 because it's a popular podcast but let's 681 00:28:25,410 --> 00:28:22,630 face it it's not the Tonight Show 682 00:28:27,390 --> 00:28:25,420 so or even you know something that's so 683 00:28:29,370 --> 00:28:27,400 popular like coast to coast am I mean 684 00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:29,380 they're not going to be renowned for it 685 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:32,140 they're doing it I believe this for the 686 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:34,060 most part because something strange 687 00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:36,010 happened to them and they they want to 688 00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:38,230 share it and they I think they enjoy the 689 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:40,390 community and the ability to share their 690 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:42,970 story in kind of and I hate this word 691 00:28:48,330 --> 00:28:46,720 but a safe space in a place where 692 00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:48,340 they're not going to be critiqued and 693 00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,640 made fun of and that other people have 694 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:52,960 experienced 695 00:28:57,420 --> 00:28:55,270 some things I will put a little plug in 696 00:29:00,090 --> 00:28:57,430 from my virtual campfire Facebook group 697 00:29:02,220 --> 00:29:00,100 which has takes that same approach as 698 00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:02,230 the show you can find that at virtual 699 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:05,080 campfire group comm and we have several 700 00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:07,270 great moderators there so we really 701 00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:09,220 police it to make sure people maintain a 702 00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:11,950 positive outlook no spammers and we're 703 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:15,070 largely mostly successful with that 98% 704 00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:18,070 of the time and people come and tell 705 00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:19,510 their stories there and that's the kind 706 00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:21,910 of community I want to create we're just 707 00:29:26,790 --> 00:29:25,300 a person says you know and I I say this 708 00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:26,800 I don't mean to cast aspersions but 709 00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:28,540 there's people who say you know I meet 710 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:30,550 with the aliens every third Thursday of 711 00:29:35,820 --> 00:29:33,610 the month and that's really not for the 712 00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,830 most part our storytellers most of our 713 00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:37,600 storytellers are people like you know 714 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:39,640 maybe I have these things happen to me 715 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:41,410 every once in a while and some people 716 00:29:45,390 --> 00:29:43,210 say I've never had anything and weird 717 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:45,400 happen to me but there was this one time 718 00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:49,750 and I love talking to those people about 719 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:52,180 their one time because to me those are 720 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:54,130 really powerful when they said this 721 00:29:58,620 --> 00:29:56,170 stuff doesn't happen to me but this did 722 00:30:02,010 --> 00:29:58,630 and everyone seems to have a story to 723 00:30:04,590 --> 00:30:02,020 tell whether it's cryptids UFO is you 724 00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,600 know ghosts any of this everyone sort of 725 00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:06,640 had something in their life where they 726 00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:09,100 just they it happened and they thought 727 00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:11,710 in themselves that that's that's not 728 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,720 normal that's that's that's not how life 729 00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:15,520 works that's not that's what I 730 00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:18,100 conventional and and that's what I love 731 00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:20,350 is when I go to your your community 732 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:23,230 there it's everyday people you know you 733 00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:25,210 kind of start Facebook stalking some of 734 00:30:30,210 --> 00:30:27,190 these people just to make sure they're 735 00:30:32,550 --> 00:30:30,220 not the third rocker you know looking 736 00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:32,560 like you said for their their 15 minutes 737 00:30:39,810 --> 00:30:36,100 of even small fame and their teachers 738 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:39,820 there yes there are scientists there law 739 00:30:44,010 --> 00:30:42,490 enforcement and it's amazing it's 740 00:30:46,170 --> 00:30:44,020 amazing to know that these kind of 741 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:46,180 people you know pillars of the community 742 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:48,850 or highly respected are having these 743 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:51,490 experiences it's no longer these days of 744 00:30:56,790 --> 00:30:54,340 cliches that you that you have to be 745 00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:56,800 crazy to have a supernatural or youthful 746 00:31:00,720 --> 00:30:58,840 logical experience and so that's what I 747 00:31:02,370 --> 00:31:00,730 love that actually look that actually 748 00:31:04,650 --> 00:31:02,380 you just reminded me of a great story 749 00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:04,660 which almost kinda to me almost seems 750 00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:06,070 like a men and black kind of 751 00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:09,160 kind of straying into that area this was 752 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:09,700 a loft 753 00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:13,210 law enforcement officer out west he was 754 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:14,860 working I think it that I think he 755 00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:16,840 became plainclothes detective at that 756 00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:18,700 time I believe he was a patrolman and 757 00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:20,950 they got a call that there was a wild 758 00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:24,520 man who was jumping off of an overpass 759 00:31:29,610 --> 00:31:27,160 and he was running around naked and just 760 00:31:32,460 --> 00:31:29,620 acting almost like a feral person and 761 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:32,470 they got there and they found the guy 762 00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:35,890 and this guy was like he was wild almost 763 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:37,000 like a wild animal 764 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:39,210 and they were trying to subdue him and 765 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:41,770 gonna be a little disgusting here but he 766 00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:45,010 defecated himself and all these horrible 767 00:31:50,190 --> 00:31:47,470 things and they finally get him subdued 768 00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:50,200 and they're gonna take him into the car 769 00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:54,340 and a state trooper pulls up because 770 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:56,470 it's like a highway over by where this 771 00:32:00,120 --> 00:31:58,330 is at and they usually like they know 772 00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:00,130 each other the State Patrol will know 773 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:02,380 the local cops and vice versa and they 774 00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:04,600 have a good working relationship but 775 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:07,270 this trooper this patrolman had never 776 00:32:12,210 --> 00:32:09,610 seen him before and the State Patrol 777 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:12,220 says well we've we've got this one we'll 778 00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:15,250 take him so he they take him and they 779 00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:19,780 you know they start to take over and the 780 00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:21,880 the State Patrol guy again he didn't 781 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:24,190 know me was kind of surly but that's 782 00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:26,410 unusual he's these state trooper guys 783 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:29,470 are usually really nice and then an 784 00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:33,250 ambulance comes and they take this guy 785 00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:36,700 away and the officer the patrolman notes 786 00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,540 all of this right and he notes the the 787 00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:42,880 trooper car number and also the number 788 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:45,910 of the emergency and he gets back and 789 00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:47,650 he's telling people about this wild guy 790 00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:50,860 who is you know he's like feral and he's 791 00:32:57,150 --> 00:32:54,640 you know disgustingly you know having 792 00:32:59,610 --> 00:32:57,160 bathroom issues and all this kind of 793 00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,620 really bizarre call and I said do you 794 00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:02,080 know a certain state trooper by the name 795 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:03,880 is so-and-so and he asked everybody 796 00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,410 there that's Ben there's like we don't 797 00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:07,360 know him and they checked the car number 798 00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:09,940 there's no such number then he's like 799 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:12,220 well he calls dispatch and he says well 800 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:13,930 I've got the ambulance number here that 801 00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:15,970 took this guy it's such and such company 802 00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:19,600 at such-and-such ambulance number no 803 00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:21,790 they don't have such an ambulance number 804 00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:24,190 so who took that guy and why did he get 805 00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:26,470 loose from some government experiment I 806 00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,950 mean what I don't want to know I'm glad 807 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,840 that didn't happen to me I guess what 808 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:33,760 thing is is that the weird thing is 809 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:35,530 about that are the missing ambulance 810 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:38,410 numbers in the the state patrol car yeah 811 00:33:42,570 --> 00:33:40,870 I mean that to me that's even weirder 812 00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:42,580 than the feral guy because somebody 813 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:44,230 could have mental issues there's a lot 814 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:47,050 of explanations for strange behavior I 815 00:33:52,110 --> 00:33:49,330 mean all you got to do is watch my wife 816 00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:52,120 watches that live PD which I can't get 817 00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:54,100 into it's too depressing but it does 818 00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:55,240 she'll watch it and you'll see some of 819 00:33:59,310 --> 00:33:56,950 these poor people and some of them have 820 00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,320 mental issues and they'll think all 821 00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:01,360 kinds of things so you can almost see an 822 00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:05,470 individual having issues and just acting 823 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:07,540 in a very inappropriate and strange way 824 00:34:13,350 --> 00:34:10,330 but the fact that he was picked up by 825 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:13,360 cars that supposedly you know from 826 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:16,270 authorities that don't exist yes yeah 827 00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:18,010 it's like okay is this some kind of 828 00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:19,870 cover for something that's where my mind 829 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:21,910 went to but sometimes I can be a little 830 00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:24,130 conspiratorial not at all my friend you 831 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:25,780 know I've come across encounters that 832 00:34:30,690 --> 00:34:28,480 people have had where they you know they 833 00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:30,700 get lost up on a mount in its it's it's 834 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:32,500 thick fog they don't know where they're 835 00:34:36,090 --> 00:34:34,570 going they find a house to get 836 00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:36,100 directions you know they get the 837 00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:38,590 directions they they leave but they get 838 00:34:45,180 --> 00:34:40,840 lost again so they come back and the 839 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:45,190 house is gone just yawn ya know so you 840 00:34:50,010 --> 00:34:48,220 do have to wonder you really do well Jim 841 00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:50,020 are there any are there any stories 842 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:51,910 you've come across in all of your time 843 00:34:58,140 --> 00:34:55,810 doing this where you just you didn't 844 00:35:00,750 --> 00:34:58,150 want to touch it it was just a bit too 845 00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:00,760 much where you thought maybe your 846 00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:05,140 reality as as it is would be shifted too 847 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:08,020 much and you just had to step away and 848 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:10,090 be like okay you know I've been doing 849 00:35:14,190 --> 00:35:12,370 this for this long but this this is it 850 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:14,200 this is the one where I'm like okay I 851 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:16,450 don't want to know anything anything 852 00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:18,490 like that really stick out to you not 853 00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:20,950 really I mean I'm still a little dicey 854 00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:22,780 and people would say that maybe it's an 855 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:24,790 overreaction but anything that gets into 856 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:26,530 like Satanism or anything like that I 857 00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:27,940 would steer clear of that but I've not 858 00:35:32,490 --> 00:35:31,150 really had much of that or anything like 859 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:32,500 that I mean some people think that's 860 00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:32,950 super 861 00:35:36,810 --> 00:35:34,960 stitchers they talk about the satanic 862 00:35:39,329 --> 00:35:36,820 panic and things like that but that's 863 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:39,339 still kind of my personal line of 864 00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,800 demarcation that that I wouldn't get 865 00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:43,119 into but there's not really been a lot 866 00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:46,270 now there have been stories where if 867 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,480 they are true that it would change your 868 00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:51,520 perception of reality and really bend 869 00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:52,900 your mind and I'll tell you one of my 870 00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:55,540 favorite ones and I may have told this 871 00:35:59,609 --> 00:35:57,670 story to you before Ryan but it was 872 00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,619 really the there was a category and he 873 00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,599 have on the show is really my favorite 874 00:36:05,490 --> 00:36:03,520 category and that the last story kind of 875 00:36:08,220 --> 00:36:05,500 fits into it it's the head scratcher 876 00:36:10,109 --> 00:36:08,230 it's not necessarily a ghost it's not 877 00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:10,119 necessarily something that we can 878 00:36:14,609 --> 00:36:12,880 quantify but it's just kind of what you 879 00:36:16,170 --> 00:36:14,619 said earlier that the universe doesn't 880 00:36:18,450 --> 00:36:16,180 seem quite right it doesn't quite make 881 00:36:20,490 --> 00:36:18,460 sense and this one really doesn't make 882 00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:20,500 sense it's called the Roadhouse saloon 883 00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:21,880 do you have you heard the Roadhouse 884 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:25,660 saloon before I believe I heard it on 885 00:36:30,569 --> 00:36:27,910 your show but please introduce my 886 00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:30,579 listeners all right well here you go 887 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:34,390 well this is from Ti and this is my 888 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:37,750 all-time favorite campfire story she was 889 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:40,569 up in Wisconsin and her and a friend one 890 00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:43,150 evening went to see a band and they 891 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:46,060 closed down the place her and her friend 892 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:49,810 Bob so anyway they were talking to the 893 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:51,970 band because I believe Ti is a singer 894 00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:53,650 and they were talking about future gigs 895 00:36:57,150 --> 00:36:55,630 and different stuff like that so they 896 00:36:59,609 --> 00:36:57,160 closed down the place and the place was 897 00:37:01,920 --> 00:36:59,619 closed and they were heading back home 898 00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:01,930 and they had about an hour to go about 899 00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:04,569 halfway there TI's tells Bob I've got to 900 00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:06,760 go to the restroom answer nature's call 901 00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:09,190 and he says well there's always the 902 00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:11,140 bushes and she said no no just just 903 00:37:16,349 --> 00:37:14,230 drive fast so anyway they go a little 904 00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,359 bit along this kind of rural area and 905 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:19,599 they come upon this Roadhouse this bar 906 00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:23,650 and now a place open it appears to be 907 00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:26,349 hopping there's cars in the in the 908 00:37:30,569 --> 00:37:28,780 parking lot there's neon signs on and 909 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:30,579 they're like hey here we go I don't know 910 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:32,050 why it would be open this late but let's 911 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:33,609 not look a gift horse in the mouth let's 912 00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:37,210 get in there and you know and look 913 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,550 around and and answer the call nature 914 00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:41,440 and so forth and Bob says I'm really 915 00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,480 glad we came here because I'm an artist 916 00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:45,520 and I heard about this great mural 917 00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,020 they have here and I've always wanted to 918 00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:48,880 see it so it kind of kind of works out 919 00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:51,820 so anyway they go in Ti goes to the 920 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:54,580 restroom Bob gets a couple of beers she 921 00:37:59,010 --> 00:37:57,370 comes back and they said it's just the 922 00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:59,020 people are kind of weird you know 923 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:00,640 they're not really talking a lot they 924 00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,990 seem to be in their own little world 925 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:04,240 they noticed that there is the mural on 926 00:38:08,190 --> 00:38:05,890 wall like they thought it's like an Old 927 00:38:11,580 --> 00:38:08,200 West scene like you would have seen in 928 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:11,590 the old western movies and it was 929 00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:13,030 interesting because they noticed that 930 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:16,300 the people in the mural were actually 931 00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,390 physically in the bar like the kind of 932 00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:22,000 young good-looking bartender was in the 933 00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:23,800 mural and then there's a couple ladies 934 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:25,840 sitting at the bar and they're in the 935 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:27,610 mural and there's a couple of guys 936 00:38:30,780 --> 00:38:29,350 sitting over at a table and they're in 937 00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:30,790 the mural and they just started talking 938 00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:33,220 said well these must be regulars and 939 00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:34,990 when the artist made the mural they just 940 00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:39,250 kind of were paying homage to to these 941 00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:42,070 people and that's why right so suddenly 942 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:44,080 while there's a jukebox and it's an 943 00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:46,300 old-school jukebox a plays actual vinyl 944 00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:49,600 and somebody puts on chubby Checker's 945 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:52,960 let's twist again and this guy comes up 946 00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:55,930 to TI and asks her to dance 947 00:39:01,380 --> 00:38:58,900 now T I wasn't too crazy about this she 948 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:01,390 said this guy had gnarly kind of brown 949 00:39:06,900 --> 00:39:04,210 teeth and just she did not want to dance 950 00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:06,910 then she said she happens to use a cane 951 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:09,070 and in this case she was glad she had 952 00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:10,450 because she just showed him McCain and 953 00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:11,860 said well I don't really dance a lot and 954 00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:13,390 she said she was glad in that case she 955 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:15,670 had the cane too got to use it to get 956 00:39:19,350 --> 00:39:17,530 out of that and they'll come back in 957 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:19,360 this story later and I was just kind of 958 00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:21,160 an overall weird vibe so they're sitting 959 00:39:24,090 --> 00:39:22,510 there talking and they're looking at 960 00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:24,100 this mural again and they notice where 961 00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:26,680 the swinging doors are there's like two 962 00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:28,990 misty figures almost in the doorway and 963 00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:30,390 they hadn't noticed that before 964 00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:33,070 they talked a little more they they look 965 00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:35,710 again and these figures are a little 966 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:38,200 more define and like a Polaroid picture 967 00:39:42,750 --> 00:39:40,170 like they're developing into the picture 968 00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:42,760 and they notice one is taller and want a 969 00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:44,830 shorter and then it develops a little 970 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:47,740 more and it appears to be a woman and a 971 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:50,530 much taller man and then it develops a 972 00:39:55,210 --> 00:39:52,330 little more and the woman has curly hair 973 00:39:58,780 --> 00:39:55,220 and boots and a cane 974 00:40:00,760 --> 00:39:58,790 and TI has curly hair boots and a cane 975 00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,770 and then the taller man is Bob who 976 00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:02,480 appears to be developing in the picture 977 00:40:08,589 --> 00:40:06,319 at the same time and they say let's get 978 00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:08,599 out of here so anyway they get up to go 979 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:11,089 the people are like beckoning back at 980 00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:13,630 them like motioning come back come back 981 00:40:19,059 --> 00:40:17,359 TI says they closed the door the minute 982 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:19,069 they closed the door everything went 983 00:40:25,450 --> 00:40:22,250 dark like it had been closed never 984 00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,460 opened neon signs go out everything they 985 00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:26,960 look back in the parking lot there is a 986 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:31,300 single car Bob's car no other cars they 987 00:40:37,809 --> 00:40:36,050 peel out and leave and that's not the 988 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:37,819 end of the story there cuz Ti is a much 989 00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:41,510 braver soul than I am so she and a 990 00:40:45,309 --> 00:40:43,670 friend go back a couple of nights later 991 00:40:46,690 --> 00:40:45,319 she said she wasn't brave enough to go 992 00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:46,700 back though in three o'clock in the 993 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:47,900 morning she made a little bit earlier 994 00:40:53,470 --> 00:40:50,690 early and evening there's a woman behind 995 00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:53,480 the bar bartending TI says all i was 996 00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,700 here a couple nights ago so where's that 997 00:41:00,400 --> 00:40:57,920 good-looking young guy who was the 998 00:41:01,780 --> 00:41:00,410 bartender woman says there's no 999 00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,790 good-looking young guy 1000 00:41:07,059 --> 00:41:03,920 the only bartender's here me and my 1001 00:41:08,010 --> 00:41:07,069 elderly father and then TI notices there 1002 00:41:11,319 --> 00:41:08,020 is a jib box 1003 00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:11,329 she looks no Chubby Checker on the 1004 00:41:19,089 --> 00:41:15,710 jukebox oh and the jukebox plays CDs not 1005 00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:19,099 violent and that's the story of the 1006 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:22,190 Roadhouse somewhere Wow 1007 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:25,849 I now know why it is your favorite it's 1008 00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:27,650 why I like zone it's like a Twilight 1009 00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:29,990 Zone and here's a little do know I'm a 1010 00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:32,990 little kicker listeners over at the 1011 00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,000 virtual campfire group have found this 1012 00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:37,040 bar and taken a picture their mural it 1013 00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:42,560 does exist no way wait Wow so we have we 1014 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:47,270 have evidence that again TI has told me 1015 00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:50,450 this story twice I believe and I find 1016 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:52,430 her to be very credible very sincere 1017 00:41:57,609 --> 00:41:54,290 this story didn't change it is the same 1018 00:42:01,329 --> 00:41:57,619 story so as far as I know it is the 1019 00:42:03,250 --> 00:42:01,339 truth and the only independent evidence 1020 00:42:06,339 --> 00:42:03,260 we found krobinson 1021 00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:06,349 so that that there is a place there is a 1022 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:08,840 Roadhouse saloon and there is a mural 1023 00:42:14,830 --> 00:42:12,170 and other than that I can't I can't tell 1024 00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:14,840 you but she seemed very sincere to me to 1025 00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:17,780 me it's a remarkable story yes it 1026 00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:20,510 reminds me you know of The Shining or 1027 00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:23,630 these these cases of like time warps 1028 00:42:29,530 --> 00:42:27,350 almost like we're we're reliving a 1029 00:42:30,850 --> 00:42:29,540 almost like a scene playing out you know 1030 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:30,860 Jim you talked a lot about the stone 1031 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:32,810 tape theory yeah in the past with some 1032 00:42:36,700 --> 00:42:34,610 of the paranormal investigators like 1033 00:42:39,070 --> 00:42:36,710 it's kind of on this loop where it's 1034 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:39,080 just replaying even though someone in 1035 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:40,970 the present can kind of walk in and be a 1036 00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,330 part of it it's just this like the cycle 1037 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:46,400 of something going on and on and you 1038 00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:49,130 have to wonder but and you think about 1039 00:42:53,290 --> 00:42:51,950 the idea of alternate realities I'll 1040 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:53,300 just take a piece of popular 1041 00:42:58,570 --> 00:42:56,570 entertainment the the book by philip k 1042 00:43:02,410 --> 00:42:58,580 dick the man in the high castle and now 1043 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:02,420 on amazon the the series man in the high 1044 00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:04,570 castle the idea that there are parallel 1045 00:43:11,140 --> 00:43:08,420 realities and maybe you know if you if 1046 00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:11,150 you buy into that maybe TI crossed into 1047 00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:13,820 one of those it's very very possible and 1048 00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:16,160 you know thank god that she she found 1049 00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:17,750 your show and was able to get the 1050 00:43:21,070 --> 00:43:19,430 community involved in trying to figure 1051 00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:21,080 that out yeah and thank goodness she was 1052 00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:23,030 able to get out I mean imagine if you 1053 00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:25,220 were and that goes back to the people 1054 00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:27,260 who disappear maybe some of these people 1055 00:43:31,930 --> 00:43:30,020 disappear into an alternate reality now 1056 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:31,940 again I know we're going down the rabbit 1057 00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:34,850 hole here but and I think like you I 1058 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:36,920 think the universe is so strange and 1059 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:39,710 there's so much that we don't realize I 1060 00:43:45,250 --> 00:43:41,570 think a lot of what I do and I'm sure 1061 00:43:47,260 --> 00:43:45,260 what you do is a thought experiment kind 1062 00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:47,270 of asking what if not saying that it is 1063 00:43:53,620 --> 00:43:50,470 but what if the the point is is that 1064 00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,630 that's a big part of what I think I try 1065 00:43:58,330 --> 00:43:55,280 to do with all my shows the paranormal 1066 00:44:01,240 --> 00:43:58,340 podcast campfire and everything is to 1067 00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:01,250 try to talk about possible explanations 1068 00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:02,480 not saying this is the right one or 1069 00:44:07,210 --> 00:44:04,550 that's the right one but let's open our 1070 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:07,220 minds because I do believe that the 1071 00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:10,250 reality what is really going on is so 1072 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:13,160 much stranger than what we might think 1073 00:44:16,300 --> 00:44:13,610 it is 1074 00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:16,310 and I'm sure throughout you know your 1075 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:18,320 extensive interviews throughout the 1076 00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:19,800 years that 1077 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:22,310 the answer to this is both broad and 1078 00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:25,770 probably obvious have your personal 1079 00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:27,900 thoughts Jim perceptions of these 1080 00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:30,390 phenomena have they changed has has 1081 00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:31,830 anything really come to the forefront 1082 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:34,260 where you're like okay this this is what 1083 00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:37,530 I want to focus on or this completely 1084 00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:40,430 changed my beliefs religiously 1085 00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:42,980 sociologically psychologically as 1086 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:45,660 anything really stuck with you where you 1087 00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,210 said wow these past years that I've been 1088 00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:50,880 doing this for so long this has made it 1089 00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:53,940 worth it well I'm more convinced than 1090 00:45:02,210 --> 00:44:57,780 ever that the strictly materialist view 1091 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:02,220 that were just physical bodies and so 1092 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:05,010 much brain matter and that's it then we 1093 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:06,300 die and there's nothing else that 1094 00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,690 happens that's really I did not really 1095 00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,940 believe that before and I believed it 1096 00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:14,160 even less now I think there is so much 1097 00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:17,760 more to us into the universe than just 1098 00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:20,640 the materialistic point of view and to 1099 00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:22,680 be clear when I say materialistic I 1100 00:45:27,110 --> 00:45:24,390 don't mean materialism I mean 1101 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:27,120 materialistic in that you know 1102 00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:29,250 everything can be weighed on a scale or 1103 00:45:33,350 --> 00:45:31,560 measured in a test tube but I think to 1104 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:33,360 me that's out of the window I'm a huge 1105 00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:35,970 fan of science and I never want people 1106 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:39,150 to think I'm a disrespect er of science 1107 00:45:43,610 --> 00:45:40,410 what we're doing now would have been 1108 00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:43,620 impossible 15 years ago but now thanks 1109 00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:45,600 to science it is 1110 00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:48,180 I definitely believe something is going 1111 00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:51,510 on I also believe in the definite 1112 00:45:57,590 --> 00:45:54,420 existence of an afterlife what form that 1113 00:45:59,330 --> 00:45:57,600 is exactly I don't know and and I hate 1114 00:46:02,000 --> 00:45:59,340 to say it but the biggest revelation 1115 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:02,010 I've had is I don't know I thought I had 1116 00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:05,610 a better handle on things in 2005 when I 1117 00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:08,040 started I kind of had a view of the 1118 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:10,140 universe in the world and I'm like 1119 00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:12,210 that's what I think is going on but now 1120 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,280 I've been challenged by so many 1121 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:16,560 different guests listeners with their 1122 00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:20,730 experiences that what there's a saying 1123 00:46:24,140 --> 00:46:21,870 something like the beginning of wisdom 1124 00:46:25,610 --> 00:46:24,150 is realizing how much you don't know I 1125 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:25,620 know something's there I know 1126 00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,170 something's going on but it beats me 1127 00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,480 what it is Ryan so I'm just gonna keep 1128 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:32,880 on this journey and hope that I can 1129 00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,570 bring 1130 00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:35,640 a lot of people with me of asking the 1131 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:38,040 questions and maybe the one day will get 1132 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:41,760 the answer I'm not convinced but we'll 1133 00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:44,850 keep asking those questions and maybe 1134 00:46:48,590 --> 00:46:46,920 maybe one day we'll find it out but 1135 00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:48,600 regardless I think it's part of a human 1136 00:46:52,340 --> 00:46:51,000 quest to know more and to understand so 1137 00:46:53,900 --> 00:46:52,350 I think it's just a natural thing to 1138 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:53,910 want to ask those questions even with 1139 00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:55,530 when you're not sure if you're gonna get 1140 00:47:01,100 --> 00:46:58,710 the answers on that quest where where 1141 00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:01,110 can we expect to find campfire in the 1142 00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:03,660 future well a campfire keeps growing 1143 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:05,640 stronger and stronger we can keep 1144 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,130 picking up listeners you can listen to 1145 00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:10,560 Jim Harold's campfire in the paranormal 1146 00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,920 podcast over Jim Harold calm or all the 1147 00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:16,800 major podcast app Apple podcasts 1148 00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:20,910 stitcher Google podcasts Spotify and I'm 1149 00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:22,950 sure wherever you listen to Ryan show on 1150 00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:24,600 any of the apps that he's on we're on 1151 00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,480 the same apps so certainly you could 1152 00:47:30,590 --> 00:47:29,040 listen to the shows there I should 1153 00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:30,600 mention we have another show that I 1154 00:47:35,330 --> 00:47:33,030 think is a good show a little bit far 1155 00:47:36,740 --> 00:47:35,340 afield but also the most recent episodes 1156 00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:36,750 are totally free it's called Jim 1157 00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:39,300 Harold's crime scene just recently got 1158 00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:42,630 to interview last week the host of maybe 1159 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:45,300 the most popular true crime podcast in 1160 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:47,610 the country right now dr. death and 1161 00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:49,050 that's always fascinating we've had 1162 00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,630 great guest Pulitzer Prize winners just 1163 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:53,520 remarkable guests on that show so if 1164 00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:54,930 you're in the true-crime check that out 1165 00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:57,180 and then I always say check that stuff 1166 00:48:01,640 --> 00:47:59,940 out first listen to a ton of the free 1167 00:48:04,310 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